About the new refined rules.

[Kriita Thalocke]

Aight. So now we got new refined and more detailed rules.
So far I can't really say much since it has not been tested, but there is one thing.

Class restrictions.

First question is why?

I do not see the reason for them and can see it only a slap against Role playing. The reason the whole system was made(as far as I understood.) was that you can represents your -character- in these story telling events. To escape the restrictions of the game and game mechanics that don't allow to do much.

Now they are back? I mean...just because I am a hunter, I cannot be as good in melee as others? Why? Because for what ever reason somewhere in the past I chose a hunter because I liked the gameplay with it? Now I am basically told roll a rogue.

And yea. Before you say that "No! You can still choose put point in melee."
No. That is not the issue. It is the fact that I am told that I have to suck in melee for the reason the game class is hunter. No matter what I -role play-. Restricted for no real reason. ICishly I could be trained melee combatant, but now I am told that due class, I am to have harder time in it.
Aye, I am ranting about hunters mainly because I have one and it hurts me.

But this is also about roleplay.
What I see is disregard to the character we have made and focus on the class we've chosen. The class should not matter that much, for one could choose it due liking the gameplay, but not the IC way of it. So s/he chose to Roleplay something else.

If you want restrictions. Atleast let us choose them. For this guild does restrict roleplay quite alot allready and I can see it becoming even more restricted due this. And that can also scare or drive off members.

Easy way of restricting but still letting us choose our character, is to have example "Melee oriented", "Ranged oriented" and "Magic oriented" character. That way they can get the bonuses and restrictions according to their -character- and not class.

Aaanyways, that is what I have to say so far.

And to furter my point.(With edit)
Only thing that defines your skill in melee battle, is the melee skill. And with this system your telling a rogue, which is a melee class cannot be as good fighter as warrior? I mean...that is just ridicilous. They can be -just- as good in battle, differently but still.
So unless you take other factors like agility and nimbleness(however it is written) in account, the system is unrealistic.

[Shonn Bayerleyn]

The reason for which you find class differentiations is that overall a hunter is a hunter, a warrior a warrior, etc. There can be tweaks to who is more proficient in this or that which is the degree of customization allowed at the designing of a character.

Though frankly if you do some math you see that the difference won't be as massive as you think.

Let us have the example of a Hunter, a Warrior and a Paladin for melee.

Me as hunter want 2 points in it, spend 6, get +1 in melee because I am a hunter, I get 3.
Me as warrior want 3 points in it, class B, spend 6, and I get 4 melee because I get one out of class.
The paladin would spend 6 and get 3, exactly as the hunter but not using the class bonus.

This obviously is only for the melee statistic, so it's not impossible for a warrior to use a bow or a short ranged weapon but his specialty would be fighting in melee.
So a mage can still pick up melee skill, but it would take a toll to mix magic and fighting.
So I do not think the difference is crippling, simply can be a small tradeoff for less points elsewhere - in the melee case to an extent where a hunter with 2 points go to 2 melee when a paladin needs to spend 3.

The rogue is seen in WoW as DPS and melee, alas in ALL the pen and paper roleplaying games the rogue is utility, and tends to suck in combat unless manage to assassinate someone with surprise.

[Kriita Thalocke]

The thing is.

This is not a pen and paper Shonn. If this would be, one would know this stuff before they choose what class they are. In this game, we cannot.

-That- is a major difference.

I do not care about the math. I care about the fairness from RP perspective. For right now, with this system -you- are deciding what we are. Not us. Something that goes over the edge for me atleast. -I- might not be able to decide what armor or weapons I use, since there are rules. But -I- have the right and as everyone to -choose- their character.

If someone tells you you can't play the character you are Shonn? You'd ignore that player right?

And since we do use rolls. I am at the low end due my luck so you say it is not crippling? I say it will be.

So this is about the right to choose our characters. For I am not rerolling because you bring back the class restriction to RP. I'll rather leave the guild in that point.